Blog EntryNHS ScriptswitchingJun 22, '08 2:56 AM
for everyone
The auditors have been into various Primary Care Trusts around the country, including ours,  and found that they're overspent to the tune of millions of pounds. In some areas they've brought in external consultants, local NHS management being not quite top calibre, to advise on changes which could help to save money. The overspends are generally due to seriously bad management at a non-clinical level going back over years, which would result in anyone in the private sector having to leave their jobs the day before yesterday, but rather than deal with that painful issue, for quick gains GPs' prescribing budgets are being targeted for savings.

To make them, our area has bought us a piece of software called Scriptswitch. Scriptswitch integrates with  clinical software and is pre-programmed by people at the Trust with a list of preferred cheaper options for common drugs. So if I usually prescribe Antacid A and start doing so, a message comes up telling me that I might like to change to Antacid B, gives me the cost saving and asks whether I want to accept it. It then it comes up with an equivalent dosage automatically.

It seemed like a great idea at first but we keep finding problems as we go along. For example. three 20mg capsules of an antidepressant are much cheaper than one 60mg one. Does that make sense? Would you rather take one pill or three?

Cheap inhaler X tastes so disgusting compared to inhaler Y that the patients, and especially children, come back within a week asking to have the original one back again. In some cases statin K's equivalent is twice the strength of statin L, so I deal with numerous calls from people querying the dose change, even though I attach a letter to each prescription explaining the change and the reasoning behind it.

For anyone who has to write a similar letter, "more cost effective" sounds so much better than "cheaper". We used to tell people things were cheaper, and they voted with their feet, because "cheaper" means second best. Now we use economyspeak, and everyone's happier that they're doing something to save the health of the nation and control the Chancellor's budget without him realising it.

Cost savings are denoted as positives, losses as negatives. Whoever programmed the software at the Trust entered several more expensive drugs in by error, and these come up as -£66 rather than £66. None of us expected such a stupid mistake, so for the first quarter of the year, we read it as a hyphen and cheerily prescribed away and managed to increase our spending, changes to the software apparently taking three months to be made.

Quite often the pharmacy suppliers  can't and won't get hold of the new drug, since they're in a chain which has planned its buying based on historical prescribing. Some of them are honest and ring us to ask for a change, others are less so, and instead of losing their customers to another pharmacy by telling them to try elsewhere, they just tell them that the drug is no longer unavailable, which takes us quite a lot of ringing round to unpick and resolve.

In spite of all of these stupidities, we have still managed to reduce spending on drugs by a small amount, although at the expense of some anxiety for patients, so that some of the money will be spent on other things to improve patient services, such as new diagnostic equipment. The scheme is being used increasingly across the country, so for anyone who lives in GB & NI, don't be surprised if you pick up a prescription which looks as if it's meant to be for someone else, but remember to query it and nicely suggest to your surgery Practice Manager that there should at the very least have been a letter attached to it explaining what is going on and that you will be changed back to the original medicaton if for some reason you cannot tolerate the new one..

 

14 Comments
jazzmanic wrote on Jun 22
That explains a few things Giles. It's not been a problem for me, medication was changed for no apparent reason but it had the same effect. Would have been nice to have known more but in the great scheme of things completely unimportant.
pferox wrote on Jun 22
Here in the states they call that Generics, which sometimes are as good as the original, other times, I don't think so. Sorry to hear that y'all are experiencing the same cost thing with medical as we are.
emmm1 wrote on Jun 22
Hmmm, so what's the 411 on certain statins being stonger than others? That should make some interesting reading as it's a commonly prescribed drug nowadays.
As for pharmacists telling you that certain drugs are no longer available - does this profession not have a code of professional conduct? This sounds like a breach to me if they do.
littleronnie wrote on Jun 22
Interesting...the same thing happens here of course. I have always been concerned though about drug companies and one wonders what they shall do if the "cheaper" drugs become the go.

You know...whenever I write about anything now I can think of only one thing. The book I have almost finished. Ishmael. If you haven't read it, then I would like to suggest that you do. In the scheme of things therein, there were no drugs I'm sure. But there would have been of course herbs. I know what you will say to this as I know that some people really do need their medication. But there are some very interesting points made in that book Giles.

I really feel that our society has now reached breaking point...in many ways. It's time to forget about the huge conglomerates and their businesses and seek our own ways to survive in this mess.

I'm probably not making any sense but my mind is flying off in a thousand different directions right now.

Read the book if you haven't already and you will know what I mean.
gilesy01 wrote on Jun 22
Would have been nice to have known more but in the great scheme of things completely unimportant.
It depends on whether or not one takes a paternalistic approach to patients which dates back to the ark. People used to have all their innards taken out not knowing why in the past, simply because the doctor told them to do so. Times have change and patients are supposed to understand what their treatments are about and have the knowledge to decline them. To not let people know indicates lack of care and also a bit of laziness resulting in not bothering to inform the patient, togetehr with poor IT management, because it is easy to set up letter templates and just print them off as prescriptions are being issues or even do a bulk mailshot.
gilesy01 wrote on Jun 22
pferox said
Generics, which sometimes are as good as the original, other times, I don't think so
We've been using generics for years, and the quality does vary from what the patients report, especially diabetics who are monitoring something which can be measured easily at home. There used to be targets for generic prescribing, usually 70%, but that's now gone out of the window because some branded generics are cheaper, some drugs should only be ever prescribed as brands because otherwise their effectiveness may vary, and the drug companies who manufacture generics cottoned on and upped their prices a couple of years ago,
gilesy01 wrote on Jun 22
emmm1 said
Hmmm, so what's the 411 on certain statins being stonger than others? That should make some interesting reading as it's a commonly prescribed drug nowadays.
As for pharmacists telling you that certain drugs are no longer available - does this profession not have a code of professional conduct? This sounds like a breach to me if they do.
We have a formulary set up by out Trust Prescribing advisers: for primary prevention they want us to try simvastatin first at 20mg, then atorvastatin if it's not tolerated or doesn't produce the desired level of lipid lowering, then use pravastatin. Atorvastatin does give a bigger change in lipid levels than simva at the same dose, but money takes precedence here because there's time to change doses etc when you're talking about a disease-modifying strategy which takes years to reach a maximal effect in reducing mortality. People who have had heart attacks go straight onto simvastatin 40mg because that's what has been used in trials.
gilesy01 wrote on Jun 22
The book I have almost finished. Ishmael.
By Daniel Quinn?
citybreezes wrote on Jun 22
Giles, this was going on years ago, I worked in a Pharmacy in Ireland many years ago...........There was a choice of Brands then, and the "cheaper" one was used on Prescriptions. So nothing has changed over the years, only more strict now?
mazza1973 wrote on Jun 22, edited on Jun 22
Generics is a choice you make here. When you take your script to the pharmacy, they ask you if you want generic brand or not. I dunno, I am abit suspicious about generics specially since my kids are the taste police. Bounty is on Tegretol and I made a mistake once of getting the generic brand, did she notice the difference!!! Oh boy - we had tantrum city and because I mixed it with her favourite juice, she would not drink juice for a few hours. I literally had to syringe some of the juice in her mouth to let her know that I didn't taint it with anything. If I put the Tegretol in, she doesn't notice anything. Weird..really weird.

When I was in the UK, I had to get generic brands because that was all they would prescribe me and the dosage was all different - was very confusing.
empressselena wrote on Jun 22
I must say that I cannot even comment on the above. My opinion of our AMA is that I would like to poke all of them in the eye with a spork.

I was just answering your question is it legal for them to escort a person out because they found a new job? I do not know as no one has tried to fight it. LOL I do not think it is legal but they also know that people have a new job and they do not want to come back. Plus I think they have to legally pay them for the 2 weeks. *shrugs* So who is going to fight being sent home with pay? LOL no one.
gilesy01 wrote on Jun 23
Generics is a choice you make here. When you take your script to the pharmacy, they ask you if you want generic brand or not. I dunno, I am abit suspicious about generics specially since my kids are the taste police. Bounty is on Tegretol and I made a mistake once of getting the generic brand, did she notice the difference!!! Oh boy - we had tantrum city and because I mixed it with her favourite juice, she would not drink juice for a few hours. I literally had to syringe some of the juice in her mouth to let her know that I didn't taint it with anything. If I put the Tegretol in, she doesn't notice anything. Weird..really weird.

When I was in the UK, I had to get generic brands because that was all they would prescribe me and the dosage was all different - was very confusing.
Tegretol is one of the things that needs to be kept as a brand in people with epilepsy, so the same probably applies in other uses.
gilesy01 wrote on Jun 23
So nothing has changed over the years, only more strict now?
Big Brother is watching us more closely now.
jools4 wrote on Jul 15
sad looking at all the pressure the NHS is under to cut corners..private budgets etc, postcode perscriptions...cancer and HIV two health issues close to me..I see so many corners being cut...
I am currentley supporting my ex who is HIV positive and the best treatment we could get was by attending an HIV centre...we had post code issues which now have been reolved..if that makes sense..
hard job....for you all..

i am an ex socail worker and I see the same cuts taking place tehre Care in the community is more care on the cheap...
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